Curse

Talon one · Aug 14, 2006, 02:15 PM // 14:15

i bought garboks cane the other day, it went like this:

me: WTB garboks cane (spammed a couple times)

seller: i sell
me: how much?
seller: offer
me: 4k
seller: 6k, and its yours
me: ok
seller: 7k
me: o_O

i bought it for 7k, thats still cheap compared to the time i'd have to spend farming to get it. but i usualy end up selling items for cheap and buying (which i rarely do) for pretty high prices. simply because i dont want to spend a lot of time trading.

those ppl advertising with 'no noob offers' actually use reverse psychology, because selling to noobs who bought their gold is exactly what they want.

LifeInfusion · Aug 14, 2006, 02:16 PM // 14:16

Use online auctions via guru or gwtraders. It will save you time.

Bokocasso · Aug 14, 2006, 02:19 PM // 14:19

Agreed. The fact that they wouldn't respond IF the price is not likeable just makes them crappy traders. It's called trading, and in order to trade you should be abe to bargain and that is not possible with people who won't even respond. Anyways, ingame trading can be quite fun if you meet nice players. And i've haggled for some 100gold for example. I don't do because it's vital for me, but because of the fun...

I've had some cases when we both came to a price similar to 1987 gold or sth like it. It's just feels more like trading. And it makes you feel good too. Amused if not better lol. Anyways, let's not forget the fact that most of these "traders" are just some young 12-year-olds or less, who can't really communicate with other people at all ... -.-

Indian · Aug 14, 2006, 02:20 PM // 14:20

especially
when you say, "WTS 250 woods for 2k or 8g each" and you get whisper, "how much" that just triggers me off, are they blind or sumthing?

Superdarth · Aug 14, 2006, 02:45 PM // 14:45

I keep my head cool,im also stubborn as hell though,if i make a price,you wont be able to haggle off a single gold.

Mister O · Aug 14, 2006, 03:15 PM // 15:15

Well, I have 1 funny in game trading in KC id1 last time:

buyer: WTB Kai's Sword
me (pm): I have 1 for you
buyer (pm): how much?

when I was about to type 5k...

buyer (pm): 100k? (OMG ebayer!!!)
me (pm): eerrrr.....60k then (I am bad, but not too bad)
buyer (pm): deal

Clone · Aug 14, 2006, 03:38 PM // 15:38

I can understand the point of view of some of the buyers here.

Take for example this situation:
Seller - WTS Item X
Me - How much you want for it?
Seller - offer
Me - 5K
Seller - Its worth twice that n00b

I've run across a fair amount of sellers who refuse to tell you how much they want, but get pissed off if you offer anything lower than what they want.

natuxatu · Aug 14, 2006, 03:50 PM // 15:50

well it's stupid when people say "offer" when 99% of the time the only offer they will except is the price it goes for or higher. And then get pissed at you for offering something lower. I think that's dumb. Just be upfront and say what you want instead of trying to bs people.

Sekkira · Aug 14, 2006, 03:55 PM // 15:55

when someone says "offer" I spit the dummy at them, telling them that I'm not going to play little guessing games with them over what price they'll let it go for and tell me the price they're expecting, then I'll see if I can meet it.

vinegrower · Aug 14, 2006, 03:57 PM // 15:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by Clone

I can understand the point of view of some of the buyers here.

Take for example this situation:
Seller - WTS Item X
Me - How much you want for it?
Seller - offer
Me - 5K
Seller - Its worth twice that n00b

I've run across a fair amount of sellers who refuse to tell you how much they want, but get pissed off if you offer anything lower than what they want.

this is the one that annoys me the most. They obviously dont know how to haggle. You offer, they counter offer, and eventually you both agree on a price. Often when I'm buying and I make an offer, I'm willing to pay more, but when they respond my laughing or calling me a "noob" that ends the session for me.

Sir Skullcrasher · Aug 14, 2006, 04:18 PM // 16:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andy_M

This is why we need an auction house.

I agree, that is why i rarely sell items in game since most of the time peoples would act dumb and try to scam you or lowball the price.

Cybah · Aug 14, 2006, 04:32 PM // 16:32

Quote:

well it's stupid when people say "offer" when 99% of the time the only offer they will except is the price it goes for or higher. And then get pissed at you for offering something lower. I think that's dumb. Just be upfront and say what you want instead of trying to bs people.

yeah 99% are dumb but 1% are people without any knowledge and sell you mursaat hammer req8 15^50 for 80k. xD

I HATE ingame trading. It has become so damn annoying. I don't sell anything ingame anymore.

I suggest you all should use guru auctions where I'm selling all my stuff.... but wait... no... the site would become even slower then.

Akhilleus · Aug 14, 2006, 04:36 PM // 16:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bokocasso

I just don't get it... Traders today are getting dumber and dumber. For example, I had a spare sskai sword for sale. I'm going to KC and advertising " WTS Sskais Sword" .... I get whisped "price"?, I said "offer?", he replied " nvm" .... now wtf is this, trading? So I think to myself - I will advertise with a price " WTS Sskai Sword 14k", than I get whisped "how much?" ... What did I forget to mention? If I replied 14k - no thx... O______O ... So I saw this guy spamming "wtb sskai sword 15k"... well later I found him and he said he wtb It. I said - 14k is a deal, he replied - "no 12k".. So I asked him why would he do that since he spammed he pays 15k... Than he replied " 11k" ... now what kind of an idiot is that? AND notice this - after I called him a lousy trader, he said "okay I buy just don't call me names"... So I decided that he realised It would be a good deal lol. Went to him and he showed me another copy of the green, so that I can be sure that he eventually bought it. Now that pisses me off - not only he didn't buy it, but he wasted my time. Ignore list... Than I went in KC - someone said " i buy".... Okay I went to him and I saw some items getting lined up in his part of the trade panel. So I said - It's 14k, I don't need items... Trading session canceled.... OKAY, move on. Went to the Forge. Someone said that want's to BUY it. Well one more time I get some items infront of me... I showed him my hammers so that he can understand that I don't need his. Well trading session canceled. MOVE ON... Finally went back to KC and just stared spamming wts sskai sword 14k until eventually some guy came to see it and paid 13k for it.

Earlier that day I sold the same sword at 15k and it took me exactly 2 minutes with a pretty fast trading. Why must I meet the other kind of... "traders".... :////

Basiclly, try to put yourself at the otherguys place. Doesn't matter IF selling or buying - Imagine your offer goes to you, how'd you react? BE REASONABLE and act like you are not a bot... -.o

People, LEARN TO TRADE!!!!

Oh, forgot to mention one thing... WTH means "no noobs" in the adverts??? Have you ever thought about the fact that even a noob, anyone with real money can have virtual money...? And someone can always give money to a "noob"... If that noob offers you the money u want, would your advert still mean anything to you? And how do you seperate noobs from non-noobs when you trade? If someone tries to actually TRADE and bargain with lower prices, I consider him noob? I don't mean lowballing... I mean slight changes... But hey - no noobs 100k + 10 ecto!! ok ok

A: when you're dealing with greens, you're begging to deal with idiots.
B: if someone asks the seller for the price of an item and they respond "offer," that generally means the seller doesnt know what the hell its worth, and is fishing for a number. the seccond i see someone reply to me with "offer" ill turn them down.
C: no noobs in advertisements is referring to the kind of people you wrote this thread about; ones who spam WTB XXXXitem for XXXXmoney, then when you offer to sellt hem one for less than their initial offer, they try to negotiate you down even further. people like that very quickly lose my interest.
D: refuse to sell to idiots, even if they are willing to pay what you want; if you sell to someone with a modicum of intelligence theres a chance they will be a repeat customer if everything goes well. furthermore, if you get to talking with other traders with a decent thinking capacity it makes for very good "connections" for the future...an overwhelming amount of my higher-end item trades are made privatly, not by shopping in trade districts.
E: the whole reason the golden age of trading is over; where a substantial number of people selling quality items were the same few players repeatedly, the traders who made millions off of selling golds and whatnot have mostly quit because of the craptacular way anet has handled items.
sure, poorer players dont like elitist traders, but when we ran the show there were FAR less imbicils doing the trading. why? now that any halfwit with half an hour to spare can get a green or perfect ch2 gold item, you are seeing an abundance of idiots selling stuff because an abundance of idiots actually ahve stuff to sell. 8 months ago if you didnt have a brain, you didnt have items worth looking at (usually), now that the stupid, demanding players who are too incompitent to get anything without anet increasing droprates 10 fold have succeeded in getting their way, the same idiots who were previously incapable of achieving wealth due to their own educational limitations are now flooded with greens and ch2 items...and they wish to sell them.
i guerentee you, if we went back in time, and anet had never made greens, and ch2 golds didnt drop as much as they do now, there would be FAR less idiots to deal with when trading. the downside, however, is that items would be more expensive (gold ones at least).
personally i think there is a happy medium; im all for greens, they are cheap, affordable ways of not-so-wealthy players to get items...but increasing the ch2 gold drops to the point where 80% of the GW public will at one point own an 8 15>50 phoenix blade or whatever, was retarded on anets part. they have effectivly done irreperable damage to the game economy and world of trading. selling stuff these days is near impossible because everyone you deal with has the IQ of a baked potato...one without the sourcreme and cheese, and the few former powertraders who havent quit ebcause of this, no longer trade, because we already have enough money towards we dont need to deal with degenerates for 8 hours a day to make a living. result: nearly 100% of the people in trade channels should be shot these days.

Cybah · Aug 14, 2006, 05:14 PM // 17:14

hehe great. i like the last sentence xD

Zubie · Aug 14, 2006, 05:20 PM // 17:20

OK what I really hate is f***ers who put in gold instead of plat trying to scam

Tried to sell 10 Ectos last week for 70k and 1 guy put 70g up 3 times before I told him to either put in 70k or piss off as I had screenshots of him agreeing to price and then trying to scam

he just canceled and ran away

*ahhhh* gets the blood boiling

My Documents · Aug 14, 2006, 05:24 PM // 17:24

Deadbeat window shoppers are my favorite.

Especially the seemingly interested that open a trade window with you, only to place something they believe or claim is "better" or "worth more" after showing them the item you have for sale. This "trade," however, isn't complete until it's punctuated by the trade window closing via the "potential buyer" zoning/logging out and all your whispers to them are ignored thereafter.

Awesome. :[

Anduin · Aug 14, 2006, 05:26 PM // 17:26

I hate trading in this game, or any other game.

The whole point seems to be a dance to see who can screw the other guy for more money the fastest.

chessyang · Aug 14, 2006, 05:28 PM // 17:28

^ agreed

from this past weekend... the double your fun...

Loves desire: WTS 5 UNid Golds for 5k (for your title seekers) --> NO window shopping <--
(Joe smith) Can i see them?
(tom jones) Do you have swords?

I've gave up saying NO and NO

*sigh*

As for "Offers"..... or people say "no Noob offers" there just looking to rip off someone or a higher price then the current market price.

Evilsod · Aug 14, 2006, 05:41 PM // 17:41

My favourites are the 'traders' who come upto you and try to flog you an item of your profession.

Just last week as i headed to the Storage in KC someone came upto me and put a 15^50 Zodiac bow into trade... so i just submitted and accepted. He whispered me saying '50k'... then eventually a few minute later he closed the trade.

How can people even trade in KC anyway... the spam makes my head hurt its so bad.

Cybah · Aug 14, 2006, 05:46 PM // 17:46

lol that just happended to me many times on newb island when my char was near storage.